Violent protests have spread across the Middle East and North Africa in
response to an anti-Islamic film, The Innocence of Muslims, that was posted on YouTube.
To
call the film a piece of third-rate dross would be too lenient.
Aesthetically the film is patently awful, and features a cast who can’t
act and a set that jumps and bumps around the screen when it most
definitely shouldn’t. The film also mocks and insults Islam. It portrays
the prophet Muhammad as a philanderer and a child molester who gets a
kick out of massacring non-believers. The fact that it’s badly acted
seems to make it even viler, for some reason.
The content of
the film is beside the point, however. If you believe in free expression
you must defend the rights of filmmakers to make such films.
Unfortunately a small minority of extremists in Egypt, Libya and Yemen
have used the film as a pretext for assaulting American and Israeli
embassies and a number of people have been killed, proving that the
apparent sanctity of divine revelation trumps any concern for human life
for a small number of the pious.
Instead of unreservedly condemning the violence and defending free
expression, however, a number of Western commentators have sunk into a
swamp of half-baked liberalism that appears to believe only in the
necessity of committing cultural suicide as hastily as possible. One
example was Robert Fisk who, writing in the Independent, claimed the
people who “set the Middle East on fire” were those who produced the
film, rather than those who lit the matches. As well as disenfranchising
the vast majority of Muslims who, when they learned that Islam had been
ridiculed in this way, didn’t go out and violently assault the first
American they came across, this line of argument sidesteps the fact that
monotheism has historically responded violently when it has encountered
criticism. All the more reason to criticise, comrades!
It
also gives ammunition to the forces of the far-right, who will gleefully
welcome the proposition that Muslims are too thin-skinned to live
alongside free expression, when in reality this applies only to a small
number of fanatics.
In a society where ideas are exchanged freely, anyone who is not a
sociopath will at times take offense. The idea that people can ever be
sheltered from hurt feelings is, I hope to everyone reading this, an
absurdity that only makes sense if one wants to live in a society
resembling that of Nineteen Eighty Four. Bullies who use violence to
silence critics of religion should never be appeased by socialists. The
idea that free speech is being “abused” whenever someone actually tests
it should also be seen for the idiotic fallacy that it is. The freedom
of religious and political groups to proselytise is intrinsically
connected to the right of the apolitical and non-religious to blaspheme.
In
much of the region affected by the protests religion has historically
propped up some of the most misogynistic, homophobic and reactionary
forces. Take away the right to ridicule and mock authority, textual
authority in this instance, and everything else is detail, including the
right of the Muslim working class to satirise and ridicule its rulers.

I think you might be overlooking the fact that the aim of this video wasn't to simply mock Islam but to incite violent discord between Muslims and Jews. The guy who made the film made out that he was an "Israeli Jew" (he's an Egyptian Christian) and that he had funding from 100 wealthy Jews. I think even with America's first amendment the film maker has a case to answer. He certainly would have in the UK.
ReplyDeleteThat's not to say that it's an ok thing to go round killing people for making movies but we shouldn't overlook a clear aim of the movie maker.
There is another thing. Some of the actors are claiming that they were signed up for a project which had nothing to do with Islam and that the references to Mohamed were overdubbed. This could have put the actors in deep shit without their knowledge. Again, no justification for harming or threatening to harm the actors but the film maker knew exactly what he was doing.
ReplyDeleteThe aim of the film, as far as I'm concerned, is besides the point, for in the first place how is it possible to get inside a person's head and assess what their true motivations for making it are? Once you move on to such territory you are on a slippery slope.
ReplyDeleteThe issues with the actors have nothing to do with free speech. If there's a case to answer in that respect I'm sure they will be dealt with by the authorities.
Again, though. That's not the problem the protesters have. They believe religion, their religion, is above ridicule and criticism - it isn't.
The question of intent underpins the whole of the criminal law in the UK and probably other places too. Assessing or assuming intent doesn't amount to mind reading. If that's a slippery slope, we've been on it for hundreds of years now.
ReplyDelete"They believe religion, their religion, is above ridicule and criticism"
Oh I see. We can't assume intent even when it's plainly obvious but we can say what other people believe. Now that does amount to mind reading. I reckon they're pissed off about a whole load of things and that this was just the latest catalyst for venting anger. I could be wrong of course.
It's not that you could be wrong, it's that you are wrong: have you read the placards? "Behead those who insult Islam", they say. We are dealing with people of literal mind who believe in one supreme authority that cannot be questioned. There's no need to ventriloquize what we think they might mean; they are telling us what they mean! Nor is this kind of thing in any sense new. If it were, then you may have a point. But all religions have been at it for donkey's years. Recently it's been the turn of Islam.
ReplyDeleteIntent underpins criminal law with respect to many crimes, yes. But trying to apply it to speech is preposterous. And anyway, there are phrases in the Koran which could be interpreted as sowing violent discord between Muslims and Jews. Should the Koran be banned? Clearly not. Anything that ridicules religion could be said to be creating bad relations between believers and the wider community. But then it won't be secularists who are bombing embassies, I can tell you that much. So how about instead of punishing those mocking religion, we stick to punishing the ones who do real harm - the violent mobs who can't take a joke. The violence has only been "incited" by a film if you believe that Muslims are semi-animals who cannot control themselves when they see something they do not like. Fortunately they are just the same as the rest of us, and no excuses should be made for murder and rioting, the responsibility for which lies with the murderers and rioters, and no one else.
James - I could write "I am the last of the red hot lovers" on a placard, it wouldn't mean that I (or anyone else) believe it to be so.
DeleteThe intent of the guy who made the film was clear or else why did he make himself and his backers out to be Jewish.
I don't think people should be punished for mocking religion. But incitement is a different issue. This guy has incited hatred and discord between Muslim and Jewish communities.
It seems like not that long ago that you were arguing that women who wear Islamic garb must be forced into it because it couldn't possible be their choice. You climbed down from that one and I'm glad you did. Conversely, you now say that what people placed on placards must be in line with their belief about the specifics of the text. But there is a whole context for the violence across the Middle East which may have nothing to do with what this or that person says about a religion and more to do with what this or that state or group of states are doing to the members of that religion.
All I was trying to say, admittedly possibly badly, was that you have missed relevant info about the movie maker and relevant info about the west's relations with the peoples of the middle east.
"It seems like not that long ago that you were arguing that women who wear Islamic garb must be forced into it because it couldn't possible be their choice. You climbed down from that one and I'm glad you did."
ReplyDeleteI said that many women are forced into niqabs and burkas - which they are. When did I "climb down" from that statement?
But there is a whole context for the violence across the Middle East which may have nothing to do with what this or that person says about a religion and more to do with what this or that state or group of states are doing to the members of that religion."
Like I said, I'll listen to what the protesters are saying rather than speculate over what they might "really mean".
I don't think the man who made the film incited anything. The reaction to the Satanic Verses was just as violent. Would it be incitement if someone made a film mocking Jews or Christians, even if they didn't riot? If not, but you say that *this* case is incitement, you are basically saying that if you riot and murder people you will get your way. Not a very sensible way to go about it, I don't think. Much better for those who cannot take mockery to be told forcefully to grow up.
"When did I "climb down" from that statement?"
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't that statement. It was more like the one I paraphrased and your ""climb down" was on 2/8/2010.
"I'll listen to what the protesters are saying rather than speculate over what they might "really mean""
Unlike the case with anti-war protesters who want war and support Saddam Hussein, according to you, though very few of them actually say they want war or support Saddam Hussein.
I'm not saying that people who riot or kill people should get their way. This is yet another instance of you not listening to what people say and instead speculating as to what they mean. That's not to stay that speculation as to meaning doesn't have its place, it does. It's just when you do it it's to support the side you support and to condemn the side you don't support. You then make out that inferences as to meaning, cause or intent are a terrible thing.
Re Satanic Verses, I don't think Salman Rushdie had any idea that he would spark off what he did. He wrote a book and got it published and that should have been that. This Innocent Muslims guy pretended to be Jewish, claimed he had the financial backing of 100 Jewish millionaires and lied to actors to get them to act in the film. There's a case to answer there but you don't even want any questions asked.
"It wasn't that statement. It was more like the one I paraphrased and your ""climb down" was on 2/8/2010."
ReplyDeleteI still think the burka and niqab are sexist and that many women are forced to wear them; but I also don't think they should be banned because it would impinge the rights of those women who do choose to wear the garments.
"This Innocent Muslims guy pretended to be Jewish, claimed he had the financial backing of 100 Jewish millionaires and lied to actors to get them to act in the film. There's a case to answer there but you don't even want any questions asked."
The issue about lying to actors is another matter, and if it constitutes a crime (it sounds like it does) it still has nothing to do with free speech.
The irony is that his lies about being Jewish imply that being Jewish is offensive to those protesting - I can quite believe that! The fact that it makes the protesters even more angry when they suspect a Jew has made the film say a lot about their motives, to be honest.
Re the first bit, you used to say that islamic headgear on women was indicative of force and now you don't. You asked when you said it, I told you. Case closed except to say that most cultures have different clothes for men and women and it's usually a throwback to the days when sexist enforcement was the norm.
ReplyDeleteRe the last bit - The irony is that his lies about being Jewish imply that being Jewish is offensive to those protesting - I can quite believe that! The fact that it makes the protesters even more angry when they suspect a Jew has made the film say a lot about their motives, to be honest.
Apart from contradicting your earlier claim that the movie maker's intention is impossible to assess you are again making assumptions as to people's thoughts, even the man whose head you say we'd have to get into to infer even the precious little which I inferred.
As far as I know, none of the rioters, arsonists, killers, have said anything about the ethno-religious identity of the movie maker. He clearly wanted it to be believed that the movie was a Jewish project. It's my assumption that he did that to sow discord between Jews and Muslims. I think that's a fair assumption based on the known facts.
You want to boil this down to a simple case of free speech. I don't think it's as simple as that but you clearly have a serious case of multiple and/or mobile standards when it comes to inferences and intentions.
So that makes the movie maker a major jerk, if he made the movie to sow discord between Jews and Muslims. Unfortunately (or not), in the US, people are allowed to make movies because they are major jerks. If he had incited violence in the movie against specific named individuals, there would be a pretty good case that the First Amendment doesn't apply to. Otherwise, it can't be banned here. There are no group libel laws in the US. Hate crimes legislation in the US doesn't criminalize certain kinds of speech - it increases the punishment if the bigoted motivation is clear by things that the assailants said at the time of the assault.
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